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0426:< splishtastic> ... no.
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1028:< SirCabbage> yeah but he was never going to win in the south
1028:< SirCabbage> even the democrats in the south are conservative
1028:< SirCabbage> but he still didnt do terribly
1029:< SirCabbage> which says something. Even the places he lost in- most of them were close
1107:< alylynn96> bernie or bust
1113:< SirCabbage> yep.
1126:< lachlanhunt> If bernie doesn't get the nomination, I'm torn between advocating for Hillary anyway, or encouraging people to write in Bernie
1126:< SirCabbage> Yeah, a lot of people are it seems. I mean hillary sucks- but surely she is better then a republican in power.
1126:< andreaplanbee> what about the green party nominee
1127:< SirCabbage> But at the same time- hillary is almost a republican herself..
1127:< lachlanhunt> I can't vote since I'm Australian, but the US has too much influence on us
1127:< SirCabbage> thats true, but does the green party candidate even have a chance at winning?
1127:< lachlanhunt> No chance.
1127:< SirCabbage> same lachlan,
1127:< lachlanhunt> The Greens don't seem to do any active campaigning in the US.
1128:< lachlanhunt> When was the last time Jill Stein held a rally?
1128:< lachlanhunt> Or any other Green party member?
1128:< SirCabbage> lol
1128:< Djinneral> trump would never get elected anyway, just because he's the republican's strongest candidate doesn't mean he's actually doing well
1128:< SirCabbage> see it is basically a protest vote-
1128:< Djinneral> its just that the republicans are doing crap
1128:< KuKKilicious> the US has too much influence on the whole western world.
1128:< Djinneral> so it's been between berns and hillary since the start
1128:< SirCabbage> voter turnout will be really low if it is trump v hillary
1129:< lachlanhunt> which is risky, cause that could hand Trump the presidency.
1129:< SirCabbage> yep.
1129:< Djinneral> but in the end it will be the money who decides what happens, the prez is just a face
1129:< SirCabbage> But hilary is risky, she beats trump (but so does bernie)
1129:< SirCabbage> however- she may not beat cruz- and would lose to Kasich
1130:< lachlanhunt> Kasich can't get the nomination, unless he miraculously starts winning states
1130:< SirCabbage> I dont know about that.
1130:< SirCabbage> He wont via votes- but the republican party would do anything to weezle him in
1130:< lachlanhunt> Per republican rules, candidates need to have won at least 8 states (Thanks to the rule they past to defeat Ron Paul)
1130:< SirCabbage> the party hates trump AND cruz.
1130:< lachlanhunt> *passed
1130:< SirCabbage> I wouldnt put it past them to break that rule if it was that or trump
1131:< SirCabbage> but then trump runs anyway- and a democrat is certainly going to win
1131:< lachlanhunt> If they do that, Trump will run on his own
1131:< SirCabbage> yeah I know
1131:< SirCabbage> which means any democrat would win-
1131:< SirCabbage> I just want the right democrat in power
1133:< lachlanhunt> Australia has its own election coming up, potentially in July.
1135:< lachlanhunt> Luckily, we don't have anyone as bad as Trump. Just two terrible parties virtually tied in the polls.
1137:< SirCabbage> unfortunately, with how bad the coalition is I cant vote anything but labor
1137:< marakiri> hey
1137:< SirCabbage> normally I would vote greens as a protest- but I can't risk it when it is this close
1138:< SirCabbage> they already ruined the NBN.
1139:< Djinneral> i always vote libdem here in the uk
1141:< SirCabbage> Labor is the left wing here and the liberals are the right wing
1141:< SirCabbage> republicans are good-
1141:< SirCabbage> seriously australia is fucked up
1141:< SirCabbage> the liberals are the right of center party- and to say you are a republican just means you want an australian head of state
1148:< lachlanhunt> SirCabbage, we have preferences in Australia. Give first preference to greens, 2nd to Labor
1149:< lachlanhunt> Even in the senate, thanks to the new voting system.
1149:< SirCabbage> normally I do, but I want to tell the coalition I hate them more then I want to show labor I am protesting
1149:< lachlanhunt> I'll be putting greens first, then maybe pirate party and/or sex party and whoever else. Finally, Labor in 6.
1150:< SirCabbage> The coalition is just... ugh
1150:< SirCabbage> did you hear that the newest report has shown that FTTP is now cheaper then FTTN?
1150:< SirCabbage> you know- the news which surprised no one ever.
1151:< SirCabbage> but the coaltiions response was that even if labor wanted to change it they couldn't- it was almost as if they were proud of
1151:< lachlanhunt> The report from NZ?
1151:< SirCabbage> fucking over our country
1152:< SirCabbage> It just annoys me,
1152:< lachlanhunt> It annoys everyone who knows anything about tech.
1153:< SirCabbage> The fact they are paying telstra for using their copper- the fact they have to power each node- the fact it adds more points
1153:< SirCabbage> of faliure- it just, wtf. My parents live in a new neighbourhood and recently I was home for a bit
1153:< SirCabbage> there was someone outside laying cable- so I went out and asked them what they were laying
1154:< lachlanhunt> From what I read earlier, Labor may switch to FTTdp if they get in.
1154:< SirCabbage> COPPER - despite the fact it was a brand new subdivisio
1154:< lachlanhunt> Slightly better than FTTN and with a better upgrade path to full FTTP, but still not quite as good
1154:< SirCabbage> yeah but
1154:< SirCabbage> apparently they didnt spend the money on the nodes well- the nodes cant be upgraded with fiber despite what the coalition said
1154:< lachlanhunt> right, I heard about that. Greenfields copper is such a fucking waste of money
1155:< SirCabbage> the nodes they bought were literally the worst they could find. No wonder there is so many complaints on rollout
1155:< SirCabbage> when my parents switched to NBN we had a MONTH of issues before it settled down
1155:< SirCabbage> and the MAX speed we could get was the 25/4
1156:< SirCabbage> and this isnt greenfields- the copper is going down all over the place
1156:< SirCabbage> I am in queensland in a place where the NBN is literally being rolled out
1156:< lachlanhunt> Actually, it's probably more like FTTB, but I'm not sure where the nodes are. They may be in the basement.
1157:< SirCabbage> I am so jealous of those with proper FTTP.
1157:< SirCabbage> that is the problem again with nodes
1157:< SirCabbage> nodes means that they DO have to go in the basement of big buildings
1157:< lachlanhunt> I'm looking to buy a new home. FTTP availability is a dream, but this situation is fucked.
1157:< SirCabbage> So once more the larger areas get better internet and the regional areas get fucked
1157:< SirCabbage> regional areas are royally screwed- under FTTP we would have been FINE
1158:< lachlanhunt> yep. My brother is in that situation.
1158:< lachlanhunt> His ADSL is shit
1158:< lachlanhunt> and he's scheduled to get FTTN some time in the next 3 year
1158:< SirCabbage> yep, there are even blackspots where you cant get ADSL
1158:< SirCabbage> just wireless.
1159:< SirCabbage> at least the NBN was going to offer subsidized satellites- but now thye want to skimp on those too.
1159:< SirCabbage> Also, can I just say how FUCKED it is that OUR satellites are being launched in SOUTH AMERICA?
1159:< SirCabbage> no wonder our economy is fucked- we have NO tech industry worth a damn. Surely we could have made a launch site
1200:< SirCabbage> we rely on mining and agriculture- and for what? So billionare miners can fight to keep their money out of the hands
1200:< SirCabbage> of the government AND their own children?
1200:< lachlanhunt> what's wrong with launching satellites from South America?
1200:< SirCabbage> we have all this uranium- but do we have nuclear power? NOPE. do we even process it so we make more money!?
1201:< SirCabbage> I want australia to get more non-primary industry- I want us to move towards a more technological economy
1201:< SirCabbage> aerospace is one area we should be able to excell in- we have raw resources- brains and space
1202:< SirCabbage> sure it could be pie in the sky. But I'd like to aim high.
1202:< lachlanhunt> Launch locations are determined by location on the earth. Closer to the equator is typically best
1203:< SirCabbage> Hum, good point. I suppose while north queensland would be in a fine position its climate wouldn't work right
1204:< SirCabbage> but I still think we should have a bigger tech industry. Sorry- I am getting tired and in doing so getting ranty lol
1204:< lachlanhunt> Definitely agree about the bigger tech industry
1205:< lachlanhunt> I work in tech
1205:< SirCabbage> I found it funny the coalition was acting like it wanted to push australia towards a larger high-tech industry
1206:< SirCabbage> but at the same time are fucking us over with the NBN
1206:< lachlanhunt> But the NSW government gave up the chance to help create a thriving tech industry when they gave the Technology Park to the Commbank
1206:< SirCabbage> Its like- how exactly do you expect a tech industry to work when the foundation isnt there
1207:< SirCabbage> Trying to have a tech industry without a good internet backbone is like trying to have a booming transport industry with 1 lane roads
1207:< lachlanhunt> haha
1208:< SirCabbage> Sorry, I am tired and opinionated :P
1208:< lachlanhunt> Let's just see what happens in July. If the LNP can get kicked out, we might have a chance to recover.
1208:< lachlanhunt> But it will take time.
1208:< SirCabbage> I hope so. I just really wish labor would get some new younger and fresh leadership
1209:< SirCabbage> I dont mind shorten- but he really strikes me as the old guy with the skateboard trying to be like "hello fellow kids" with all
1209:< SirCabbage> his internet attemps
1209:< SirCabbage> we just need some new blood.
1210:< SirCabbage> he isn't Kevin- he can't pull off the popularist vote
1210:< SirCabbage> Also can I just say how sad it is there wasnt an election with kevin in 2011?
1210:< SirCabbage> I would have killed for a Kevin 11 shirt
1222:< SirCabbage> anyway
1222:< SirCabbage> night
1228:< TheDoctor_RS> Evening
1237:< pedro_fartinez> afternoon
1359:< mofosyne> bugger
1517:< BossColo> bugger indeed.
1521:< mofosyne> anyone following the panama leaks?
1531:< FriendlyYak> a little
1531:< FriendlyYak> island, lol
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--- Log opened Wed Apr 06 16:45:39 2016
1645:< FriendlyYak> yes americans mixed socialism and marxism
1645:< FriendlyYak> Internal1
1647:< sotricious> the weather is FANTASTIC today!
1647:< FriendlyYak> where?
1649:< sotricious> well, i made this comment here in #pol coz everyone has a politics discussion over at %cgat
1649:< sotricious> *%chat
1649:< sotricious> but i'm in athens, greece and the weather is amazing
1650:< sotricious> 25 celsious and sht
1650:< FriendlyYak> salzburg. yesterday 26° today rain and ~12°
1650:< sotricious> !!!!!
1650:< sotricious> oh man we have fraked the weather for good
1651:< FriendlyYak> maybe next week :/
1652:< FriendlyYak> yesterday it was so nice and that why todays 12° suck
1656:< Djinneral> the weather here in the uk is weird, it rains, shines and breezes coldly on the same day
1657:< Djinneral> don't know how to dress for it to be honest
1704:< FriendlyYak> wow the pol discussion in %chat gets heated
1704:< mofosyne> yea... #pol... is quite chill
1704:< mofosyne> maybe we should hang around here instead to relax
1705:< mofosyne> hope you had a nice day FriendlyYak
1705:< FriendlyYak> yes. but i should work a little bit more for university
1706:< FriendlyYak> for an biochemistry exam to be exact
1706:< FriendlyYak> how was you day? :)
1710:< mofosyne> Was alright, went to some lecture of emission standards in EMC
1711:< mofosyne> basically how to not have one stuff interfere with another stuff magically via electromagnetic waves
1711:< FriendlyYak> rly? i was EMC engeneer once
1711:< mofosyne> Oh nice, any tips>
1711:< FriendlyYak> well, worst case scenario you put everything inside an aluminium foil
1712:< mofosyne> ah the tin can method, yea that's often not a bad idea. Except you gotta also deal with emission leaking out of the exit points
1713:< mofosyne> e.g. maybe we should add some common mode chokes
1713:< FriendlyYak> there are a few different issues here.
1713:< FriendlyYak> wait i have to show you something..
1715:< FriendlyYak> mofosyne https://imgur.com/ylfHwFA i made this just for fun 
1715:< FriendlyYak> in 2009
1716:< mofosyne> conductive fabric?
1719:< FriendlyYak> sorry i had a connection problem. yes it's conductive
1720:< FriendlyYak> sorry i had connection issues. yes it's conductive!
1720:< mofosyne> Ah very nice. Bit overkill methink, but at least you wont suffer from cancer :p
1721:< mofosyne> but you wont be able to call
1721:< FriendlyYak> :)
1721:< FriendlyYak> i wore this just once for the picture
1722:< FriendlyYak> also, the chamber behind me was closed during testing
1724:< FriendlyYak> thx :) i destroyed many robots
1725:< FriendlyYak> https://imgur.com/YlTcwS9 
1725:< FriendlyYak> my work environment
1725:< mofosyne> kukuku that's kinda funny
1725:< FriendlyYak> the floor is spikes
1726:< mofosyne> well at least you know your pecking order on the next robot uprising
1726:< FriendlyYak> soft ones. but you better not fall down..
1726:< sotricious> nice, sexy, dungeon!
1726:< FriendlyYak> uhm thanks. its in seibersdorf, austria reasearch centre
1727:< FriendlyYak> https://www.seibersdorf-laboratories.at/home 
1727:< sotricious> what's the material Yak? Of the spiky things?
1727:< FriendlyYak> basically foam
1727:< sotricious> ty
1728:**** sotricious could see this in a club
1728:< FriendlyYak> standard pyramid absorber
1728:< sotricious> SPA < niiice
1728:< FriendlyYak> they kinda capture the emmissions
1728:< Internal1> What is the discussion holding?
1729:< FriendlyYak> i think it was polystyren
1729:< Internal1> what about it?
1730:< FriendlyYak> well if you have enough of them you can build a MEC test chambre
1730:< FriendlyYak> that might or might not look like a dungeon https://imgur.com/YlTcwS9 
1730:< FriendlyYak> *EMC
1731:< sotricious> yeah I was the curious one
1732:< mofosyne> conductive foam cones?
1733:< FriendlyYak> yes. alpha ferrit can also be used
1733:< FriendlyYak> but the cones absorb more equal
1734:< FriendlyYak> anyways those chambres cost around 1Mio€ so it's an expensive thing to test equipment for/against emmission
1740:< mofosyne> true
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